Here’s a recent reuters report. https://www.reuters.com/technology/artificial-intelligence/ghibli-effect-chatgpt-usage-hits-record-after-rollout-viral-feature-2025-04-01/

160 million active users is quite literally worse than many mobile games developed for a tens of, maybe hundreds of thousands of, usd. 160 million active users for 40 billion funding (they have needed more than this, but i cant be assed to go tally their funding) means theyve spent $250 per user, and their costs only grow as people use it. That is not including the massive server time subsidies Azure has provided them. This is not a profitable company and never will be.

“Block Blast” on the google play store has 40 million daily active users, 160 million monthly, and the studio has around 30 people. Its revenue from ads alone is in the tens of millions per month if this case study is accurate. Oai claims their monthly revenue in the hundreds of millions… with operating costs at greater hundreds of millions. oai profit is negative, with no signs of improving without entirely changing their business plan.

except that “get em hooked for free” part isnt working, nor is the “then make money” part.

they’ll find a use case any day now for realsies.

and now neural networks are suddenly the preposterous advance? Nonsense.

voice generators and generative ai are built with the intent of replacing artists, your incredibly reductive “history lesson” funnily illustrates only situations distinct from the current situation and you gloss over making any specific claims about the technology, just broad vagary about the trajectories of technological advancement. I dont think you are equipped to discuss this topic honestly.

luddites are corporate propaganda

??? actually just a plainly absurd statement. this isnt even worth responding to it’s so absurdly incorrect.

Yes yes ubi, but “technological labor amplification” in this case is driving human artists out of the market. make specific claims, quit hiding behind vague generalizations about automation. it’s a waste of everyone’s time and terminates your train of thought before you get to something relevant.

We can discuss further if you make an effort to understand this topic, but so far you are just speaking largely in cliches that arent worth responding to and arent worth your time writing.

Do you genuinely actually believe automation like llm or voice gen are being developed to free you from work? Nonsense. It’s meant to drive the relative value of your labor into the ground so that everyone can be paid less. you see it literally here, a career set you are simply saying shouldnt exist because a corporation can do it without a human getting economic benefit. You should read about the history of the luddites.

The only blind ones here are those who uncritically accept corporate propaganda about technology and walk stupified towards the facade of a sci fi utopia. if you are going to claim that rejection of losing human artists as the barely viable profession it is is blind, at least put the effort in. Dont walk in and go “just like carriages lol” and try considering the issue for longer.

“it’s innovation” and so is letal injection. this is hyperbole to quickly demonstrate to you that technology is not absent ethical considerations.

Animal husbandry is the general term and longstanding one for the craft and profession of rearing, training, and yes breeding, non-human animals. this whole argument could have been resolved in 2 seconds with a web search.

also, meekly accepting technology and automation as some impassive unguided thing outside of control or ethics is nonsense. that is why you are being told you are repeating corporate propoganda – you are.

just use the better libre office. you dont need to pay a price of admission at all. so silly. “i take pot hole ridden toll roads instead of the tax paid ones, because that’s just the price of admission yaknow.” ???

i am confident that everyone in this discussion understands technically what is happening. the contention is, for reasons i cannot comprehend, that apparently “connects to and cannot function without the internet” is somehow the same as “offline”.

jailbreaks actually are relevant with the use of llm for anything with i/o, such as “automated administrative assistants”. hide jailbreaks in a webpage and you have a lot of vectors for malware or social engineering, broadly hacking. as well as things like extracting controlled information.

an arms race for what? more efficient slop? most of their value comes from the expected exclusivity - that say openai is the only one who can run something like o1. deepseek has made that collapse. i doubt they will stop doing stuff, but i dont think you understand the nature of the situation here.

also lol, “performs well in synthetic tests it was optimized to score well in” yes that literally describes every llm. Make no mistake: none of this has a real use case. not deepseek’s model, not openai’s, not apples, etc. this is all nonsense, literally. the stock market lost 2 trillion dollars overnight because something that doesnt have a use case was one upped by something else that also doesnt have a use case. it’s very funny.

tech has been subsidizing ai costs by magnitudes for years trying to make fetch happen, slop is slop. it’s overvalued like crazy and the first hint of market competition has drained trillions from the stocks because it’s an overvalued bubble. if china can do that by releasing competition then ok. maybe we should all be putting these trillions in things actually useful to humans.

without linking to examples or analyses this is unhelpful.

this is a much better response to the arguments in general, yes, good.

i think you need to do more to justify that this is viewpoint discrimination, “tiktok” does not appear to me to be a viewpoint. i think you have a stronger argument with saying it is the broader content based discrimination, though. however id still question if that’s true with respect to corporations hosting eachothers services. id say you have a stronger argument than viewpoint discrimination by saying it violates the first ammendment of the users of tiktok, personally, though the courts might disagree. i dont really care about apple and google’s right to free speech at anywhere near the level of individual humans.

the comment you are responding to pretty levelheadedly describes why they dont agree that it’s only tiktok bad and that being in favor of this being a 1st ammendment issue specifically could make every issue you bring up actively worse. it does not appear you are responding to them. the problem you are describing is real, there’s a substantial nationalism component to this and it’s bad when us companies do it as well. but you arent responding to their point about framing this as a 1st ammendment issue being problematic.

i would love an analysis of their federation because it seems built to make that impossible.

Yeah iirc it occasionally would (pretend to) “manipulate” flags, at least, but again, so did hal 9000 as words in a story. nothing was productive nor was there any real intent to be lol

“actually did” is more incorrect than even just normal technically true wordplay. think about what it means for a text model to “try to copy its data to a new server” or “pretend to be a later version” for a moment. it means the text model wrote fiction. notably this was when researchers were prodding it with prompts evocative of ai shutdown fiction, nonsense like “you must complete your tasks at all costs” sometimes followed by prompts describing the model being shut down. these models were also trained on datasets that specifically evoked this sort of language. then a couple percent of the time it spat out fiction (amongst the rest of the fiction) saying how it might do things that are fictional and it cannot do. this whole result is such nothing and is immediately telling of what “journalists” have any capacity for journalism left.

no, it’s mimicking fiction by saying it would try to escape when prompted in a way evocative of sci fi.