They are both perfectly fine editors but they don’t hold a candle to a proper IDE

I’m not sure what you mean by “proper” in this context. Every IDE I’ve ever used has seemed like a child’s toy compared to Emacs. An annoying child’s toy with cracks and sharp edges.

I also want to play some games that go beyond the production values of SuperTuxKart and Battle for Wesnoth.

Try 0 A.D. or FreeOrion.

Have you considered using GNU Emacs? Or even shudder vim?

There are plenty of free software games available: https://libregamewiki.org/

I want closed source apps

Ewww

Wrong sub. Perhaps you want !windows@sopuli.xyz ?

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Location: AMD is hosting the 2025 Display Next Hackfest in Markham at the AMD office

Participants should feel free to propose any topic which interests them.

How about reverse engineering radeon firmware, am I free to propose that topic?

The future of tech doesn’t need to be American. It doesn’t need to be Chinese. It needs to be open.

And based on Tumbleweed?

You got your info.

I did not.

This

That doesn’t mention harassment at all.

this

That only mentions harassment of them and their family incidentally, I can’t see any mention of harassment as a reason for quitting the project or in fact related to the project in any way.

Take a guess

I don’t need help to guess, thanks. I was asking for information.

the previous announcement from the Asahi leadership

What announcement?

harassment

From who? What kind of harassment?

even redirecting the output to install.sh like in your examples is enough added complexity to make it not work in some cases

You can’t have any install method that works in all cases.

if your goal is to have a simple install method anyone can use

Similarly, you can’t have an install method anyone can use.

If you can’t review a bash script before running it without having an unnecessarily complex one-liner provided to you

Providing an easily copy-and-pastable one-liner does not imply that the reader could not themselves write such a one-liner.

Having the capacity to write one’s own commands doesn’t imply that there is no value in having a command provided.

unnecessarily complex

LOL

Showing people that are running curl piped to bash the script they are about to run doesn’t really accomplish anything. If they can read bash and want to review the script then they can by just opening the URL

What it accomplishes is providing the instructions (i.e. an easily copy-and-pastable terminal command) for people to do exactly that.

linux culture

snigger

you’re teaching newbies the wrong lessons

The problem is not that it’s teaching bad lessons, it’s that it’s actually doing bad things.

most people can parse that they’re essentially asking you to run some commands at a url

I know not to take it completely literally

Then it needn’t be written literally.

I think you’re giving the authors of such installation instructions too much credit. I think they intend people to take it literally. I think this because I’ve argued with many of them.

Saved that, thank you.

You have the option of piping it into a file instead, inspecting that file for yourself and then running it, or running it in some sandboxed environment.

That’s not what projects recommend though. Many recommend piping the output of an HTTP transfer over the public Internet directly into a shell interpreter. Even just

curl https://... > install.sh; sh install.sh

would be one step up. The absolute minimum recommendation IMHO should be

curl https://... > install.sh; less install.sh; sh install.sh

but this is still problematic.

Ultimately, installing software is a labourious process which requires care, attention and the informed use of GPG. It shouldn’t be simplified for convenience.

Also, FYI, the word “option” implies that I’m somehow restricted to a limited set of options in how I can use my GNU/Linux computer which is not the case.

How do I know the maintainers of the repo haven’t gone rogue and are now distributing malware?

Depends on the repo but at least for Debian, there’s a path of trust between GPG keys I’ve signed and the Debian release GPG keys.

How is that safe?

It’s not, it’s a sign that the authors don’t take security seriously.

If you use this

I never do.