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This symbol isn’t needed for spells this long, but it’s considered best practice and other wizards will make fun of me for not including it, even though it isn’t needed.
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Who is the artist?
If you’re adding code you don’t understand to a production system you should be fired
Edit: I assumed it was obvious from context that I’m referring to copy-pasting code from stack overflow or an LLM or whatever without knowing what it does but apparently that needs to be said explicitly.
Never use libraries you don’t contribute to in Production
There’s a huge difference between copy-pasting code you don’t understand and using a library with the assumption that the library does what it says on the tin. At the very least there’s a clear boundary between your code and not-your-code.
Many times the code we work on is built in abstractions we don’t know about from top to bottom.
If you are submitting work, you should understand how the code you’re submitting works. Sure, you don’t have to know exactly how the code it calls works, but if you’re submitting code and there’s a block of code and you have no clue how that block works, that’s a problem.
I really like to build from zero, but some things are better copied, no matter if you fully understand them or fall short. :)
For example, I’m not qualified to check if Hamilton and Euler were correct - I only do as they explained, and later double-check the output against input.
I didn’t say never copy and paste. I’m saying when you push a commit you should understand what all the LOC in that commit do (not counting vendored dependencies). If you don’t understand how something works, like crypto (not sure what Hamilton or Euler refers to in this context), ideally you would use a library. If you can’t, you should still understand the code sufficiently well to be able to explain how it implements the underlying algorithm. For example if you’re writing a CRC function you should be able to explain how your function implements the CRC operations, even if you don’t have a clue why those operations work.
So you code everything in Assembly from scratch?
No I just read the stack overflow guy’s explanation and the other small comments around and they explain it.
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I don’t understand Assembly. Straight up binary only for me.
Same here. Assembly is a little too high level for me. I don’t like the assembler guessing what I meant. I like telling processors exactly what to do.
Honestly, modern CISC processors are also a little high level if you think about it. I don’t want the processor guessing what I meant to tell it. I like telling them exactly what to do.
The processor is just going to guess wrong and might occasionally waste a few cycles!
In what world is assembly more readable or easier to understand?
Are you seriously trying to equate “I don’t know which instructions this code is using” to “I copied code I don’t understand”? Are you seriously trying to say that someone who doesn’t know how to write
x = a + bin assembly doesn’t understand that code?No, they’re pointing out that it’s a little silly to expect everyone to understand each and every later of abstraction fully before deploying code.
I said you need to understand what the code you wrote (as in, LOC that git blame will blame on you) does. Not that you need to fully understand what the code it calls does. It should be pretty obvious from context that I’m referring to copy-pasting code from stack overflow or an LLM or whatever without knowing what it does.
“Oh, dude, you gotta stop using TJ’s Action Rune of Changed Files. That runebook has a backdoor to one of the hells now. Didn’t you see the patch notes?”
Ugh, look, I get it. I know TJ’s Lesser Action Rune of Changed Files that the Greater version does now, but TJ’s price structure is bullshit and I’m not paying for Greater just because he refuses to “support” us users of Lesser. I don’t even have a damn Portal, much less a Summoning Circle! Why are you so worried about a backdoor to the hells? Unless I connect this sigil to the weave nothing is going to come in or out. This sigil is only for monitoring the moisture content of my garden by way of a spell scroll attached. As we both know, scrolls and sigils use two different elements to communicate. One is gold ink and the other is silver ink. I have to use TJ’s Action Rune of Changed Files to see if the document has changed due to moisture. The scroll cannot directly talk to my watering golem’s receiving crystal.
I never update my spell book and nothing bad has ever happened.
Help. Infernal imps somehow got inside my sanctum and used my scrying orb to send rude messages to the rest of the Circle.
You got lucky. Somebody snuck a wyrm into my codex that got all of my thralls mining for coin bits.
shout out to the trickster mod which is basically “what if magic is a lisp”
Omfg I read all of this for far to long thinking you meant casting spells with a lithp lisp. Like you might cast similarly named spells randomly. “Must be Skyrim, cool. Click! Minecraft doesn’t have spells, what?”
How does it compare to hex Casting? I Tried getting into it but it seemed a Bit weird
hex casting is stack-based and has lots of different blocks for doing different things. trickster is fully functional and has very few blocks, but isn’t as well balanced for use with other mods. at least i think that’s the case.
So does that mean trickster is easier to get into?
depends. it’s still an entire programming language.
My brother in Christ, why must you inform us of cool things and leave us with less free time? 🫠
malice
Interesting. Does this provide any game balance whatsoever?
I spent an embarrassing amount of time trying to design magic systems when I was a teenager, but they always ended up being either way too powerful or not “rich” enough to be interesting. It’s just really hard to design a simple mechanical system that stays within arbitrary human boundaries.
Hmm, I feel myself getting drawn back in. That’s almost like a zero-knowledge proof, and there’s lots of weird ways to implement cryptographic primitives.
no, it does not. there is a rune that consumes amethyst but it’s just for flavour, so you can give your spell a cost if you want.
i guess you could say the learning curve is a balance feature. it’s an entire functional programming language in a pretty unergonomic form factor, so actually building spells that do anything impressive takes a lot of time.
Only until you’ve figured it out, at which point you’re god. You could make it non-repeatable somehow to avoid that, but magic is depicted as being mainly old, repeated spells most of the time, like in the comic. You could also move to something like Brainfuck or even Malbolge where coding a single new program is hard. As I learned the hard way, though, you’re still going to have no control over what ends up being easy and what’s not.
Actually, it’s more like homeomorphic encryption since you have a system of some bounded complexity instead of a single fixed piece of information. That’s usually harder, but then again you actually want the scheme to be “insecure” in this case.
i think that’s just a fundamental problem with designing magic systems though. if you design it logically, it doesn’t feel like magic. if you design it by feel, it doesn’t make sense. if you want it to feel magic but still be tricky to learn, it becomes a mess.
in the context of minecraft mods there’s also not much you can do.
Well, ir’s obviously not balanced for vanilla. But I had talked to the quite a while ago now. And they did try to walk a fine balance of being useful and fun, but not too over the top. They apply limitations where it makes sense for them.
Especially since there is PvP.If you liked Hex Casting, or even Psi. This should be right up your alley. It’s also less tedious than either of them I would say.
That is really fucking cool!
How long until someone hopks this up to a QR code style image scanner and unleashed horrors and incredible things upon the world?
Yeah that mod is really cool. The magic writing system is fucking awesome.
Even cooler than Hex Casting in my opinion (which is already super cool).
And It’s quite a bit easier to work with since it’s not stack-based and that you can edit different parts of you spell/program at any point.
The manga (soon to be anime) Witch Hat Atelier’s magic is kinda like this. Also it rocks so I definitely recommend it.
So happy its getting an anime, such a gorgeous manga
I really hope it does the manga justice. It would be a tragedy if people ended up dismissing this series because of a subpar anime adaptation.
Syntax error: Mismatched △
FATAL ERROR! DRAIN ARCANE ENTRY IMMEDIATELY!
ARCANE ENERGY COULD NOT BE DRAINED AND WILL BE DISPERSED WHEN PROCESS IS TERMINATED.
Kernel panic: Syntax error in interpreted kernel code. Spell OS 0.2.437 will now terminate.*Firery explosion
“And that’s the most efficient way we’ve found of casting fireball. We’re still working on getting round to finding a more elegant solution.”
“Thank you for playing Wing Commander”
Sounds like the beginning of an SCP story
Pretty much most chem students doing labs.
I’ve often wondered about who discovered arcane symbols/rituals.
Like, did some prehistoric guy just sit there drawing in the dirt until something happened?
My head canon is that creatures such as ghosts, demons, djinns, … enter our mortal realm willingly from time to time and sometimes form a connection with a person, who they then teach how to summon them in times of need. This knowledge is then passed down.
So effectively otherworldly creatures are tourists who gave a local their number and now they get bothered by their greatgreatgreatgreatgrandkids.
I like the idea that they’re not just symbols, but shapes. Get anything to be shaped like a rune, and it’ll touch magic. So two rocks leaned against each other just right might create a trickle of water, or a tree that grows a twisted enough web of branches could, by chance, summon a flame. Then, like with all natural phenomenon, people figured it out! It fits well with the trope that wizards are arcane researchers and scientists, you find in settings like D&D’s
It was just probably just some poor guy with magical thinking OCD. “If I don’t repeatedly draw symbols in the dirt, my whole family will die.”
The Book of Enoch says that fallen angels named Uzza, Azza and Azael taught humans originally.
So it’s the original developers that answer the questions in Stack Overflow? Good to know.
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Kier, brilliant one, Kier.
Brings the bounty to the plain through the torment, through the rains,
Progress, knowledge show no fear,
Kier, chosen one, Kier. 🎵
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Normally I could do this ritual with a single symbol but there is no support for primordial glyphs in this arcane framework unless you rewrite the whole thing in Elder Speech.
Man this is just another great example of why I think software is essentially magic.
At the root of it, the hardware, it’s magic smoke. It’s all based on magic from that point up - because the layer below the one you are using “works because it does.”
I think it depends a lot on a person’s individual knowledge. If you keep studying far enough away from your main area of expertise, there’ll still be some point where you stop and have to blindly accept that something “just works”, but it will no longer feel like that’s what your main field is based upon.
Imagine a chef. You can be an OK chef just by memorizing facts and getting a “feel” for how recipes work. Many chefs study chemistry to better understand how various cooking/baking processes work. A few might even get into the physics underlying the chemical reactions just to satisfy curiosity. But you don’t need to keep going into subatomic particles to have lost the feeling that cooking is based on mysterious unknowns.
For my personal interest, I’ve learned about compilers, machine code, microcode and CPU design, down to transistor-based logic. Most of this isn’t directly applicable to modern programming, and my knowledge still ends at a certain point, but programming itself no longer feels like it’s built on a mystery…
I don’t recommend that every programmer go to this extreme, but we don’t have to feel that our work is based on “magic smoke” if we really don’t want to.
If writing software makes you some sort of magician then writing in assembly should surely mean you are a cleric or warlock.
I designed microcontrollers and wrote assembly for them
Now I’m just a regular software dudebro
What class do I get?
Seeker, you learned your people’s language and then learned the way of the world.
Either respec or multiclass
I havent worked with assembly or any firmware in 10+ years, but from memory, I think it’s more like being a Witch Doctor. You got primitive things and no idea what they do, but the specific patterns and dances make things happen.
My first good chuckle of the day. Thanks!
It was an autocomplete from co-warlock.
Vibe coders == warlocks with their patron LLM. Great idea!
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